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| − | <math>\mathbf{1.}</math>  The solution above  | + | <math>\mathbf{1.}</math>  The solution above is written very sloppily and | 
| − | + | badly, it could use substantial editing.  However, the proof is | |
| − | from rewriting it. | + | understandable and correct, and I will refrain from rewriting it. | 
| It is interesting to note that it actually proves substantially | It is interesting to note that it actually proves substantially | ||
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| − | a. If one of the equations <math>P(x) - 1 = 0</math> and <math>P(x) + 1 = 0</math> | + | <math>\mathbf{a.}</math>  If one of the equations <math>P(x) - 1 = 0</math> and | 
| − | has <math>\ge 4</math> integer, distinct solutions, then the other has | + | <math>P(x) + 1 = 0</math> has <math>\ge 4</math> integer, distinct solutions, then | 
| − | no integer solutions. | + | the other has no integer solutions. | 
| − | b. If both equations <math>P(x) - 1 = 0</math> and <math>P(x) + 1 = 0</math> have | + | <math>\mathbf{b.}</math>  If both equations <math>P(x) - 1 = 0</math> and | 
| − | integer solutions then <math>n(P) \le 5</math>. | + | <math>P(x) + 1 = 0</math> have integer solutions then <math>n(P) \le 5</math>. | 
| − | The problem is a trivial consequence of these statements. | + | The statement of the original problem is a trivial consequence | 
| + | of these statements (as I will show later). | ||
| − | <math>\mathbf{2.}</math>  This problem is very easy.  It is made difficult | + | <math>\mathbf{2.}</math>  This problem is in fact very easy.  It is made | 
| − | artificially by hiding the essence of the description of the | + | difficult artificially, by hiding the essence of the description | 
| − | distinct, integer solutions of <math>P(x) - 1 = 0</math> and <math>P(x) + 1 = 0</math> | + | of the distinct, integer solutions of <math>P(x) - 1 = 0</math> and | 
| − | behind a more general sounding statement.  Had it been formulated | + | <math>P(x) + 1 = 0</math>.  The essence is hidden behind a more general | 
| − | to  | + | sounding (and in some sense artificial) statement.  Had it been | 
| − | + | formulated to express the essence of the description of the | |
| − | solution. | + | distinct, integer roots of <math>P(x) - 1 = 0</math> and <math>P(x) + 1 = 0</math>, | 
| + | the problem would have been much less intimidating, and much | ||
| + | easier, because the facts would have pointed towards a solution. | ||
| Here is a reformulation the problem: | Here is a reformulation the problem: | ||
| − | <math>\mathbf{Problem | + | <math>\mathbf{Problem\ 2\ (a\ better\ version\ of\ the\ problem)}</math> | 
| − | + | Let <math>P(x)</math> be a polynomial with integer coefficients.  Let | |
| + | <math>m_1 =</math> the number of distinct integer roots of <math>P(x) - 1 = 0</math>, | ||
| and <math>m_2 =</math> the number of distinct integer roots of <math>P(x) + 1 = 0</math>. | and <math>m_2 =</math> the number of distinct integer roots of <math>P(x) + 1 = 0</math>. | ||
| − | If both <math>m_1 \ge 1, m_2 \ge 1</math> then <math>m = m_1 + m_2 \le 4</math>. | + | If both <math>m_1 \ge 1, m_2 \ge 1</math> then <math>n(P) = m = m_1 + m_2 \le 4</math>. | 
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| − | + | ==Solution 2 (solution of the better problem)== | |
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| − | <math>\ | + | If <math>\deg(P) = 1</math> or <math>\deg(P) = 2</math> the statement is obviously true. | 
| − | + | So, assume <math>\deg(P) \ge 3</math>. | |
| − | + | Let <math>M_1 = \{a_1 < \dots < a_{m_1}\}</math> be the integer, distinct solutions | |
| − | the  | + | of <math>P(x) - 1 = 0</math>, and let <math>M_2 = \{b_1 < \dots < b_{m_2}\}</math> be the | 
| − | + | integer, distinct solutions of <math>P(x) + 1 = 0</math>.  Denote | |
| + | <math>M = \{s_1 < \dots < s_m\}</math> the union <math>M_1 \cup M_2</math> arranged in | ||
| + | increasing order.  Thus each <math>s_i</math> could be an element <math>a_j \in M_1</math> | ||
| + | or an element <math>b_k \in M_2</math>.  We will think of the sequence <math>M</math> as a | ||
| + | sequence of <math>a</math>'s and <math>b</math>'s. | ||
| + | Let <math>a</math> satisfy <math>P(a) - 1 = 0</math> and <math>b</math> satisfy <math>P(b) + 1 = 0</math>.  Then | ||
| + | <math>a - b \in \{-2, -1, 1, 2\}</math>, in other words <math>|a - b| = 1</math> or <math>|a - b| = 2</math>. | ||
| + | Indeed, <math>P(a) - P(b) = (a - b) Q</math> for some integer <math>Q</math>.  From | ||
| + | <math>P(a) - P(b) = 2</math> it follows <math>(a - b) Q = 2</math>, so <math>(a - b)</math> must be a divisor | ||
| + | of <math>2</math>.  We paraphrase this by saying that any solution of <math>P(x) - 1 = 0</math> | ||
| + | and any solution of <math>P(x) + 1 = 0</math> are at distance at most <math>2</math>. | ||
| − | + | In terms of looking at <math>M</math> as a sequence of <math>a</math>'s and <math>b</math>'s, given that | |
| + | all the <math>s_i</math>'s are distinct, this tells us that in terms of the distance | ||
| + | in the counting (or indexing) in the sequence, any <math>b</math> is at most two away | ||
| + | from any <math>a</math>, and any <math>a</math> is at most <math>2</math> away from any <math>b</math>.  In other words, | ||
| + | if we have an <math>a</math>, then at most two entries to the right and two entries to | ||
| + | the left are <math>b</math>'s, and, if we have a <math>b</math>, then at most two entries to the | ||
| + | right and two entries to the left are <math>a</math>'s. | ||
| + | It follows that <math>M</math> can not have <math>6</math> (or more) elements. | ||
| + | Indeed, assume that <math>M</math> has <math>6</math> elements | ||
| + | <math>M = \{s_1 < s_2 < s_3 < s_4 < s_5 < s_6\}</math> and assume <math>s_1</math> is an <math>a</math>. | ||
| + | Then <math>s_4, s_5, s_6</math> must be <math>a</math>'s.  Since <math>s_6</math> is an <math>a</math>, <math>s_2, s_3</math> | ||
| + | must be <math>a</math>'s.  It follows that all <math>s_i</math>'s are <math>a</math>'s, which is a | ||
| + | contradiction since we assumed we have at least one <math>b</math>. | ||
| + | <math>\mathbf{Note}</math>  The statement of the original problem follows trivially | ||
| + | from what we proved so far.  Indeed, if only one of <math>P(x) - 1 = 0</math> and | ||
| + | <math>P(x) + 1 = 0</math> has integer roots, then <math>n(P) \le d < d + 2</math>.  If <math>\deg(P)</math> | ||
| + | is <math>1</math> or <math>2</math>, then <math>n(P) \le 2, 4</math> respectively, which is less than <math>d + 2</math>. | ||
| + | If the degree <math>d = \deg(P) \ge 3</math> then <math>n(P) = m \le 5 \le d + 2</math>. | ||
| + | Let us prove the stronger bound <math>m = m_1 + m_2 \le 4</math>. | ||
| + | Assume that <math>m = m_1 + m_2 = 5</math>.  Then we have that <math>m_1, m_2</math> are <math>4</math> | ||
| + | and <math>1</math> (in some order), or <math>m_1, m_2</math> are <math>3</math> and <math>2</math> (in some order). | ||
| + | Assume <math>m_1 = 4, m_2 = 1</math>.  This is impossible because of the argument | ||
| + | from the first solution.  (Repeat the argument | ||
| + | for the sake of completeness: Assume | ||
| + | <math>P(a_1) = P(a_2) = P(a_3) = P(a_4) = 1</math> and <math>P(b_1) = -1</math>. | ||
| + | Then <math>P(x) = (x - a_1)(x - a_2)(x - a_3)(x - a_4) Q(x) + 1</math> | ||
| + | with <math>Q(x)</math> having integer coefficients. Substituting <math>x = b_1</math> | ||
| + | we have <math>(b_1 - a_1)(b_1 - a_2)(b_1 - a_3)(b_1 - a_4) Q(b_1) = -2</math>. | ||
| + | It follows that the values of the four factors <math>(b_1 - a_i)</math> must | ||
| + | be in <math>\{-2, -1, 1, 2\}</math>.  Since they are distinct, they must be | ||
| + | exactly these four values.  Then | ||
| + | <math>(b_1 - a_1)(b_1 - a_2)(b_1 - a_3)(b_1 - a_4) Q(b_1)</math> will be | ||
| + | a multiple of 4, and it can not equal <math>-2</math>.) | ||
| + | |||
| + | Now assume <math>m_1 = 3, m_2 = 2</math>.  Looking again at | ||
| + | <math>M = \{s_1 < s_2 < s_3 < s_4 < s_5\}</math> as a sequence of <math>a</math>'s and <math>b</math>'s, | ||
| + | assume that <math>s_1</math> is an <math>a</math>.  Then <math>s_4, s_5</math> must be <math>a</math>'s.  If <math>s_5</math> | ||
| + | is an <math>a</math>, then <math>s_2</math> must be an <math>a</math>.  Depending on <math>s_3</math>, either | ||
| + | <math>M</math> has only <math>a</math>'s, which is impossible, or <math>M = \{a, a, b, a, a\}</math>. | ||
| + | This would put us in the case <math>m_1 = 4, m_2 = 1</math>, which is a | ||
| + | contradiction. | ||
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| + | The assumption <math>m = m_1 + m_2 = 5</math> led to a contradiction, so <math>m \le 4</math>. | ||
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| + | [Solution by pf02, October 2025] | ||
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Latest revision as of 01:12, 29 October 2025
Contents
Problem
Let  be a non-constant polynomial with integer coefficients. If
 be a non-constant polynomial with integer coefficients. If  is the number of distinct integers
 is the number of distinct integers  such that
 such that  prove that
 prove that  where
 where  denotes the degree of the polynomial
 denotes the degree of the polynomial  
Solution
Lemma: Let  be a polynomial with integer coefficients which is not constant. Then if
 be a polynomial with integer coefficients which is not constant. Then if  obtains
 obtains  (or
 (or  ) as its values for at least four times then
) as its values for at least four times then  ( or
 ( or  ) for all
) for all  .
Proof. Assume that
.
Proof. Assume that  for
 for  distince. Then if there's
 distince. Then if there's  which
 which  then
 then  so
 so  where
 where  is a polynomial with the integer coefficients! So
 is a polynomial with the integer coefficients! So
 which is impossible cause
 which is impossible cause  can not presents as product of more than three distince numbers! This proved the lemma!
 can not presents as product of more than three distince numbers! This proved the lemma!
Back to our problem: For convinet put  and
 and  . Firstly if
. Firstly if  then
 then  . Assume
. Assume  . If equation
. If equation  with more than three integer points (ie.. at least
 with more than three integer points (ie.. at least  ) then equation
) then equation  implies
 implies  so
 so  , ie...
, ie...  . The same case for equation
. The same case for equation  . So
. So  . If
. If  then
 then  . Now assume that
. Now assume that  . In this case if
. In this case if  then
 then  .
.
So let us show that  . In fact if
. In fact if  then
 then  has three integers distince roots, and the same for
 has three integers distince roots, and the same for  . So
. So
 and
 and  where
 where  distince and
 distince and  distince and all with
 distince and all with  are integers! Then
 are integers! Then
 for all
 for all  . So
. So  .
Finally, we have
.
Finally, we have
 for
 for  and because that
 and because that  can not presents as products of three distince numbers so
 can not presents as products of three distince numbers so  , we may assume
, we may assume  . Because
. Because  so
 so
 This means
This means  . So we must have
. So we must have  which follows
 which follows  , which contracts!. So
, which contracts!. So  and we're done.
 and we're done.
The above solution was posted and copyrighted by pluricomplex.
Remarks (added by pf02, October 2025)
 The solution above is written very sloppily and
badly, it could use substantial editing.  However, the proof is
understandable and correct, and I will refrain from rewriting it.
  The solution above is written very sloppily and
badly, it could use substantial editing.  However, the proof is
understandable and correct, and I will refrain from rewriting it.
It is interesting to note that it actually proves substantially more than the problem asked. It proves the following two statements:
 If one of the equations
  If one of the equations  and
 and
 has
 has  integer, distinct solutions, then
the other has no integer solutions.
 integer, distinct solutions, then
the other has no integer solutions.
 If both equations
  If both equations  and
 and
 have integer solutions then
 have integer solutions then  .
.
The statement of the original problem is a trivial consequence of these statements (as I will show later).
 This problem is in fact very easy.  It is made
difficult artificially, by hiding the essence of the description
of the distinct, integer solutions of
  This problem is in fact very easy.  It is made
difficult artificially, by hiding the essence of the description
of the distinct, integer solutions of  and
 and
 .  The essence is hidden behind a more general
sounding (and in some sense artificial) statement.  Had it been
formulated to express the essence of the description of the
distinct, integer roots of
.  The essence is hidden behind a more general
sounding (and in some sense artificial) statement.  Had it been
formulated to express the essence of the description of the
distinct, integer roots of  and
 and  ,
the problem would have been much less intimidating, and much
easier, because the facts would have pointed towards a solution.
,
the problem would have been much less intimidating, and much
easier, because the facts would have pointed towards a solution.
Here is a reformulation the problem:
 Let
Let  be a polynomial with integer coefficients.  Let
 be a polynomial with integer coefficients.  Let
 the number of distinct integer roots of
 the number of distinct integer roots of  ,
and
,
and  the number of distinct integer roots of
 the number of distinct integer roots of  .
If both
.
If both  then
 then  .
.
Solution 2 (solution of the better problem)
If  or
 or  the statement is obviously true.
So, assume
 the statement is obviously true.
So, assume  .
.
Let  be the integer, distinct solutions
of
 be the integer, distinct solutions
of  , and let
, and let  be the
integer, distinct solutions of
 be the
integer, distinct solutions of  .  Denote
.  Denote
 the union
 the union  arranged in
increasing order.  Thus each
 arranged in
increasing order.  Thus each  could be an element
 could be an element  or an element
or an element  .  We will think of the sequence
.  We will think of the sequence  as a
sequence of
 as a
sequence of  's and
's and  's.
's.
Let  satisfy
 satisfy  and
 and  satisfy
 satisfy  .  Then
.  Then
 , in other words
, in other words  or
 or  .
Indeed,
.
Indeed,  for some integer
 for some integer  .  From
.  From
 it follows
 it follows  , so
, so  must be a divisor
of
 must be a divisor
of  .  We paraphrase this by saying that any solution of
.  We paraphrase this by saying that any solution of  and any solution of
and any solution of  are at distance at most
 are at distance at most  .
.
In terms of looking at  as a sequence of
 as a sequence of  's and
's and  's, given that
all the
's, given that
all the  's are distinct, this tells us that in terms of the distance
in the counting (or indexing) in the sequence, any
's are distinct, this tells us that in terms of the distance
in the counting (or indexing) in the sequence, any  is at most two away
from any
 is at most two away
from any  , and any
, and any  is at most
 is at most  away from any
 away from any  .  In other words,
if we have an
.  In other words,
if we have an  , then at most two entries to the right and two entries to
the left are
, then at most two entries to the right and two entries to
the left are  's, and, if we have a
's, and, if we have a  , then at most two entries to the
right and two entries to the left are
, then at most two entries to the
right and two entries to the left are  's.
's.
It follows that  can not have
 can not have  (or more) elements.
 (or more) elements.
Indeed, assume that  has
 has  elements
 elements
 and assume
 and assume  is an
 is an  .
Then
.
Then  must be
 must be  's.  Since
's.  Since  is an
 is an  ,
,  must be
must be  's.  It follows that all
's.  It follows that all  's are
's are  's, which is a
contradiction since we assumed we have at least one
's, which is a
contradiction since we assumed we have at least one  .
.
 The statement of the original problem follows trivially
from what we proved so far.  Indeed, if only one of
  The statement of the original problem follows trivially
from what we proved so far.  Indeed, if only one of  and
 and
 has integer roots, then
 has integer roots, then  .  If
.  If  is
is  or
 or  , then
, then  respectively, which is less than
 respectively, which is less than  .
If the degree
.
If the degree  then
 then  .
.
Let us prove the stronger bound  .
.
Assume that  .  Then we have that
.  Then we have that  are
 are  and
and  (in some order), or
 (in some order), or  are
 are  and
 and  (in some order).
 (in some order).
Assume  .  This is impossible because of the argument
from the first solution.  (Repeat the argument
for the sake of completeness: Assume
.  This is impossible because of the argument
from the first solution.  (Repeat the argument
for the sake of completeness: Assume
 and
 and  .
Then
.
Then  with
with  having integer coefficients. Substituting
 having integer coefficients. Substituting  we have
we have  .
It follows that the values of the four factors
.
It follows that the values of the four factors  must
be in
 must
be in  .  Since they are distinct, they must be
exactly these four values.  Then
.  Since they are distinct, they must be
exactly these four values.  Then
 will be
a multiple of 4, and it can not equal
 will be
a multiple of 4, and it can not equal  .)
.)
Now assume  .  Looking again at
.  Looking again at
 as a sequence of
 as a sequence of  's and
's and  's,
assume that
's,
assume that  is an
 is an  .  Then
.  Then  must be
 must be  's.  If
's.  If  is an
is an  , then
, then  must be an
 must be an  .  Depending on
.  Depending on  , either
, either
 has only
 has only  's, which is impossible, or
's, which is impossible, or  .
This would put us in the case
.
This would put us in the case  , which is a
contradiction.
, which is a
contradiction.
The assumption  led to a contradiction, so
 led to a contradiction, so  .
.
[Solution by pf02, October 2025]
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