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| <math>\mathbf{1.}</math>  The solution above is written very sloppily and | <math>\mathbf{1.}</math>  The solution above is written very sloppily and | ||
| badly, it could use substantial editing.  However, the proof is | badly, it could use substantial editing.  However, the proof is | ||
| − | understandable, and I will refrain from | + | understandable and correct, and I will refrain from rewriting it. | 
| − | rewriting it. | ||
| It is interesting to note that it actually proves substantially | It is interesting to note that it actually proves substantially | ||
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| The statement of the original problem is a trivial consequence | The statement of the original problem is a trivial consequence | ||
| − | of these statements. | + | of these statements (as I will show later). | 
| <math>\mathbf{2.}</math>  This problem is in fact very easy.  It is made | <math>\mathbf{2.}</math>  This problem is in fact very easy.  It is made | ||
| − | difficult artificially by hiding the essence of the description | + | difficult artificially, by hiding the essence of the description | 
| of the distinct, integer solutions of <math>P(x) - 1 = 0</math> and | of the distinct, integer solutions of <math>P(x) - 1 = 0</math> and | ||
| − | <math>P(x) + 1 = 0</math> behind a more general sounding statement.  Had | + | <math>P(x) + 1 = 0</math>.  The essence is hidden  behind a more general | 
| − | it been formulated to  | + | sounding (in some sense artificial) statement.  Had it been | 
| − | much less intimidating, and easier, because the  | + | formulated to express the essence of the description of the | 
| − | have pointed towards a solution. | + | distinct, integer roots of <math>P(x) - 1 = 0</math> and <math>P(x) + 1 = 0</math>, | 
| + | the problem would have been much less intimidating, and much | ||
| + | easier, because the facts would have pointed towards a solution. | ||
| Here is a reformulation the problem: | Here is a reformulation the problem: | ||
| − | <math>\mathbf{Problem\ 2}</math>  Let <math>P(x)</math> be a polynomial of degree <math>d \ge 3</math>. | + | <math>\mathbf{Problem\ 2}</math>  Let <math>P(x)</math> be a polynomial with integer | 
| − | Let <math>m_1 =</math> the number of distinct integer roots of <math>P(x) - 1 = 0</math>, | + | coefficients of degree <math>d \ge 3</math>.  Let <math>m_1 =</math> the number of | 
| − | and <math>m_2 =</math> the number of distinct integer roots of <math>P(x) + 1 = 0</math>. | + | distinct integer roots of <math>P(x) - 1 = 0</math>, and <math>m_2 =</math> the number | 
| − | If both <math>m_1 \ge 1, m_2 \ge 1</math> then <math>m = m_1 + m_2 \le 5</math>. | + | of distinct integer roots of <math>P(x) + 1 = 0</math>.  If both | 
| + | <math>m_1 \ge 1, m_2 \ge 1</math> then <math>m = m_1 + m_2 \le 5</math>. | ||
| <math>\mathbf{Additional\ challenges}</math> | <math>\mathbf{Additional\ challenges}</math> | ||
| − | <math>\mathbf{a.}</math>  With the notation of Problem 2, we have the stronger | + | <math>\mathbf{a.}</math>  With the notation of Problem 2, assume we have a | 
| − | + | non-constant polynomial <math>P(x)</math> with constant coefficients, and | |
| + | assume <math>m_1 \ge 1, m_2 \ge 1</math>.  Prove the stronger bound | ||
| + | <math>m = m_1 + m_2 \le 4</math>. | ||
| − | <math>\mathbf{b.}</math>  If <math>d = 2</math>,  | + | <math>\mathbf{b.}</math>  If <math>d = 2</math>, give an example of <math>P(x)</math> for which there | 
| − | integer roots of <math>P(x) - 1 = 0</math> and <math>P(x) + 1 = 0</math>. | + | are <math>4</math> distinct integer roots of <math>P(x) - 1 = 0</math> and <math>P(x) + 1 = 0</math>. | 
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| + | <math>\mathbf{c.}</math>  If <math>d = 3</math>, give an example of <math>P(x)</math> for which there | ||
| + | are <math>3</math> distinct integer roots of <math>P(x) - 1 = 0</math> and one root of | ||
| + | <math>P(x) + 1 = 0</math>. | ||
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| + | <math>\mathbf{d.}</math>  If <math>d = 3</math> show that it is impossible to have <math>m_1 = 2</math> | ||
| + | and <math>m_2 = 2</math>. | ||
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| <math>\mathbf{3.}</math>  Below I will prove Problem 2 (from which the.statement | <math>\mathbf{3.}</math>  Below I will prove Problem 2 (from which the.statement | ||
| − | of the original problem follows trivially), as well as | + | of the original problem follows trivially), as well as the additional | 
| challenges. | challenges. | ||
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| Let <math>M_1 = \{a_1 < \dots < a_{m_1}\}</math> be the integer, distinct solutions | Let <math>M_1 = \{a_1 < \dots < a_{m_1}\}</math> be the integer, distinct solutions | ||
| of <math>P(x) - 1 = 0</math>, and let <math>M_2 = \{b_1 < \dots < b_{m_2}\}</math> be the | of <math>P(x) - 1 = 0</math>, and let <math>M_2 = \{b_1 < \dots < b_{m_2}\}</math> be the | ||
| − | integer, distinct solutions of <math>P(x) + 1 = 0</math>.  Denote  | + | integer, distinct solutions of <math>P(x) + 1 = 0</math>.  Denote | 
| − | + | <math>M = \{s_1 < \dots < s_m\}</math> the union <math>M_1 \cup M_2</math> arranged in | |
| − | + | increasing order.  Thus each <math>s_i</math> could be an element <math>a_j \in M_1</math> | |
| − | + | or an element <math>b_k \in M_2</math>.  We will just look at the sequence <math>M</math> | |
| − | or an element <math>b_k \in M_2</math>. | + | as a sequence of <math>a</math>'s and <math>b</math>'s. | 
| Let <math>a</math> satisfy <math>P(a) - 1 = 0</math> and <math>b</math> satisfy <math>P(b) + 1 = 0</math>.  Then | Let <math>a</math> satisfy <math>P(a) - 1 = 0</math> and <math>b</math> satisfy <math>P(b) + 1 = 0</math>.  Then | ||
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| and a solution of <math>P(x) + 1 = 0</math> are at distance at most <math>2</math>. | and a solution of <math>P(x) + 1 = 0</math> are at distance at most <math>2</math>. | ||
| − | + | In terms of looking at <math>M</math> as a sequence of <math>a</math>'s and <math>b</math>'s, given that | |
| − | <math> | + | all the <math>s_i</math>'s are distinct, this tells us that the distance in the | 
| − | + | counting (or indexing) in the sequence, any <math>b</math> is at most two away from | |
| − | <math> | + | any <math>a</math>.  In other words, if we have an <math>a</math>, then at most two entries to | 
| + | the right and two entries to the left are <math>b</math>'s, and similarly, if we | ||
| + | have a <math>b</math>, then at most two entries to the right and two entries to the | ||
| + | left are <math>a</math>'s. | ||
| − | <math> | + | It follows that <math>M</math> can not have <math>6</math> (or more) elements. | 
| − | + | Indeed, <math>m</math> has <math>6</math> elements and assume <math>s_1</math> is an <math>a</math>.  Then | |
| − | <math> | + | <math>s_4, s_5, s_6</math> must be <math>a</math>'s.  Since <math>s_6</math> is an <math>a</math>, <math>s_2, s_3</math> | 
| − | + | must be <math>a</math>'s.  It follows that all <math>s_i</math>'s are <math>a</math>'s, which is a | |
| − | + | contradiction since we assumed we have at least one <math>b</math>. | |
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| − | <math> | ||
| − | + | <math>\mathbf{Note}</math>  This argument does not exclude <math>m = 5</math>.  For example, | |
| − | + | we could have a sequence <math>M = \{a, a, b, a, a\}</math>. | |
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| <math>\mathbf{Note}</math>  The statement of the original problem follows trivially | <math>\mathbf{Note}</math>  The statement of the original problem follows trivially | ||
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| − | <math>\mathbf{a.}</math>  | + | <math>\mathbf{a.}</math> Let us prove the stronger bound <math>m = m_1 + m_2 \le 4</math>. | 
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| − | + | Assume that <math>m = m_1 + m_2 = 5</math>.  Then we have that <math>m_1, m_2</math> are <math>4</math> | |
| − | <math> | + | and <math>1</math> (in some order), or <math>m_1, m_2</math> are <math>3</math> and <math>2</math> (in some order). | 
| − | + | Assume <math>m_1 = 4, m_2 = 1</math>.  This is impossible because of the argument | |
| − | of the argument from the first solution.  (Repeat the argument | + | from the first solution.  (Repeat the argument | 
| for the sake of completeness: Assume | for the sake of completeness: Assume | ||
| <math>P(a_1) = P(a_2) = P(a_3) = P(a_4) = 1</math> and <math>P(b_1) = -1</math>. | <math>P(a_1) = P(a_2) = P(a_3) = P(a_4) = 1</math> and <math>P(b_1) = -1</math>. | ||
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| a multiple of 4, and it can not equal <math>-2</math>.) | a multiple of 4, and it can not equal <math>-2</math>.) | ||
| − | The  | + | Now assume <math>m_1 = 3, m_2 = 2</math>.  Then | 
| − | will  | + | <math>P(x) = (x - a_1)(x - a_2)(x - a_3) Q_1(x) + 1</math> and | 
| + | <math>P(x) = (x - b_1)(x - b_2) Q_2(x) + 1</math> for some <math>a_1, a_2, a_3, b_1, b_2</math> | ||
| + | (all distinct), and <math>Q_1(x), Q_2(x)</math> some polynomials with integer | ||
| + | coefficients.  Then | ||
| + | <math>(x - a_1)(x - a_2)(x - a_3) Q_1(x) - (x - b_1)(x - b_2) Q_2(x) = -2</math>. | ||
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| + | Substituting <math>x = b_1, b_2</math> we have | ||
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| + | <math>(b_1 - a_1)(b_1 - a_2)(b_1 - a_3) Q_1(b_1) = -2</math> | ||
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| + | <math>(b_2 - a_1)(b_2 - a_2)(b_2 - a_3) Q_1(b_1) = -2</math> | ||
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| + | Then each <math>(b_j - a_i)</math> must equal one of <math>-2, -1, 1, 2</math>. | ||
| + | We now need to make a very careful analysis of all the cases | ||
| + | when <math>(b_j - a_i)</math> take all the possible values.  Approached | ||
| + | with brute force, there would be <math>4^6 = 4096</math> cases, but we | ||
| + | can reduce this enormously. | ||
| + | |||
| + | Think of listing the <math>6</math> entries, in two groups of <math>3</math> | ||
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| + | <math>(b_1 - a_1)\ \ (b_1 - a_2)\ \ (b_1 - a_3)\ \ \ \ (b_2 - a_1)\ \ (b_2 - a_2)\ \ (b_2 - a_3)</math> | ||
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| + | The values of the entries in the first group of <math>3</math> have to be | ||
| + | distinct, and the values of the entries in the second group of | ||
| + | <math>3</math> have to be distinct. | ||
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| + | The first entries in the two groups have to be distinct, and the | ||
| + | same goes for the second and third entries. | ||
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| + | We must not have a <math>2</math> and <math>-2</math> within the same group of <math>3</math> entries. | ||
| + | |||
| + | Two triplets of values in a group which differ by a sign are | ||
| + | equivalent (e.g. <math>1, -1, 2</math> and <math>-1, 1, -2</math>). | ||
| + | |||
| + | The idea of the proof is to list all the relevant choices for | ||
| + | <math>(b_j - a_i)</math>, and see that the choice of values leads to a | ||
| + | contradiction.  The final check will be to verify whether | ||
| + | <math>(b_1 - a_1) - (b_1 - a_2) = (b_2 - a_1) - (b_2 - a_2)</math> | ||
| + | and <math>(b_1 - a_2) - (b_1 - a_3) = (b_2 - a_2) - (b_2 - a_3)</math>. | ||
| + | |||
| + | It will turn out that it is impossible to choose values for the | ||
| + | two groups of <math>6</math> entries so that all the constraints and the | ||
| + | two equalities above are satisfied. | ||
| + | |||
| + | I will not show here all the cases; instead, I will show some | ||
| + | very typical examples.  It is not difficult for the reader to | ||
| + | verify all the cases, or to write a little computer program | ||
| + | which verifies all the cases. | ||
| + | |||
| + | |||
| + | |||
Revision as of 18:43, 28 October 2025
Problem
Let  be a non-constant polynomial with integer coefficients. If
 be a non-constant polynomial with integer coefficients. If  is the number of distinct integers
 is the number of distinct integers  such that
 such that  prove that
 prove that  where
 where  denotes the degree of the polynomial
 denotes the degree of the polynomial  
Solution
Lemma: Let  be a polynomial with integer coefficients which is not constant. Then if
 be a polynomial with integer coefficients which is not constant. Then if  obtains
 obtains  (or
 (or  ) as its values for at least four times then
) as its values for at least four times then  ( or
 ( or  ) for all
) for all  .
Proof. Assume that
.
Proof. Assume that  for
 for  distince. Then if there's
 distince. Then if there's  which
 which  then
 then  so
 so  where
 where  is a polynomial with the integer coefficients! So
 is a polynomial with the integer coefficients! So
 which is impossible cause
 which is impossible cause  can not presents as product of more than three distince numbers! This proved the lemma!
 can not presents as product of more than three distince numbers! This proved the lemma!
Back to our problem: For convinet put  and
 and  . Firstly if
. Firstly if  then
 then  . Assume
. Assume  . If equation
. If equation  with more than three integer points (ie.. at least
 with more than three integer points (ie.. at least  ) then equation
) then equation  implies
 implies  so
 so  , ie...
, ie...  . The same case for equation
. The same case for equation  . So
. So  . If
. If  then
 then  . Now assume that
. Now assume that  . In this case if
. In this case if  then
 then  .
.
So let us show that  . In fact if
. In fact if  then
 then  has three integers distince roots, and the same for
 has three integers distince roots, and the same for  . So
. So
 and
 and  where
 where  distince and
 distince and  distince and all with
 distince and all with  are integers! Then
 are integers! Then
 for all
 for all  . So
. So  .
Finally, we have
.
Finally, we have
 for
 for  and because that
 and because that  can not presents as products of three distince numbers so
 can not presents as products of three distince numbers so  , we may assume
, we may assume  . Because
. Because  so
 so
 This means
This means  . So we must have
. So we must have  which follows
 which follows  , which contracts!. So
, which contracts!. So  and we're done.
 and we're done.
The above solution was posted and copyrighted by pluricomplex.
Remarks (added by pf02, October 2025)
 The solution above is written very sloppily and
badly, it could use substantial editing.  However, the proof is
understandable and correct, and I will refrain from rewriting it.
  The solution above is written very sloppily and
badly, it could use substantial editing.  However, the proof is
understandable and correct, and I will refrain from rewriting it.
It is interesting to note that it actually proves substantially more than the problem asked. It proves the following two statements:
 If one of the equations
  If one of the equations  and
 and
 has
 has  integer, distinct solutions, then
the other has no integer solutions.
 integer, distinct solutions, then
the other has no integer solutions.
 If both equations
  If both equations  and
 and
 have integer solutions then
 have integer solutions then  .
.
The statement of the original problem is a trivial consequence of these statements (as I will show later).
 This problem is in fact very easy.  It is made
difficult artificially, by hiding the essence of the description
of the distinct, integer solutions of
  This problem is in fact very easy.  It is made
difficult artificially, by hiding the essence of the description
of the distinct, integer solutions of  and
 and
 .  The essence is hidden  behind a more general
sounding (in some sense artificial) statement.  Had it been
formulated to express the essence of the description of the
distinct, integer roots of
.  The essence is hidden  behind a more general
sounding (in some sense artificial) statement.  Had it been
formulated to express the essence of the description of the
distinct, integer roots of  and
 and  ,
the problem would have been much less intimidating, and much
easier, because the facts would have pointed towards a solution.
,
the problem would have been much less intimidating, and much
easier, because the facts would have pointed towards a solution.
Here is a reformulation the problem:
 Let
  Let  be a polynomial with integer
coefficients of degree
 be a polynomial with integer
coefficients of degree  .  Let
.  Let  the number of
distinct integer roots of
 the number of
distinct integer roots of  , and
, and  the number
of distinct integer roots of
 the number
of distinct integer roots of  .  If both
.  If both
 then
 then  .
.
 
 With the notation of Problem 2, assume we have a
non-constant polynomial
  With the notation of Problem 2, assume we have a
non-constant polynomial  with constant coefficients, and
assume
 with constant coefficients, and
assume  .  Prove the stronger bound
.  Prove the stronger bound
 .
.
 If
  If  , give an example of
, give an example of  for which there
are
 for which there
are  distinct integer roots of
 distinct integer roots of  and
 and  .
.
 If
  If  , give an example of
, give an example of  for which there
are
 for which there
are  distinct integer roots of
 distinct integer roots of  and one root of
 and one root of
 .
.
 If
  If  show that it is impossible to have
 show that it is impossible to have  and
and  .
.
 Below I will prove Problem 2 (from which the.statement
of the original problem follows trivially), as well as the additional
challenges.
  Below I will prove Problem 2 (from which the.statement
of the original problem follows trivially), as well as the additional
challenges.
There will be some overlap of ideas with the first solution, but for the sake of making the solution self contained, I will fill in all the details.
Solution 2
Let  be the integer, distinct solutions
of
 be the integer, distinct solutions
of  , and let
, and let  be the
integer, distinct solutions of
 be the
integer, distinct solutions of  .  Denote
.  Denote
 the union
 the union  arranged in
increasing order.  Thus each
 arranged in
increasing order.  Thus each  could be an element
 could be an element  or an element
or an element  .  We will just look at the sequence
.  We will just look at the sequence  as a sequence of
as a sequence of  's and
's and  's.
's.
Let  satisfy
 satisfy  and
 and  satisfy
 satisfy  .  Then
.  Then
 , in other words
, in other words  or
 or  .
Indeed,
.
Indeed,  for some integer
 for some integer  .  From
.  From
 it follows
 it follows  , so
, so  must be a divisor
of
 must be a divisor
of  .  We paraphrase this by saying that a solution of
.  We paraphrase this by saying that a solution of  and a solution of
and a solution of  are at distance at most
 are at distance at most  .
.
In terms of looking at  as a sequence of
 as a sequence of  's and
's and  's, given that
all the
's, given that
all the  's are distinct, this tells us that the distance in the
counting (or indexing) in the sequence, any
's are distinct, this tells us that the distance in the
counting (or indexing) in the sequence, any  is at most two away from
any
 is at most two away from
any  .  In other words, if we have an
.  In other words, if we have an  , then at most two entries to
the right and two entries to the left are
, then at most two entries to
the right and two entries to the left are  's, and similarly, if we
have a
's, and similarly, if we
have a  , then at most two entries to the right and two entries to the
left are
, then at most two entries to the right and two entries to the
left are  's.
's.
It follows that  can not have
 can not have  (or more) elements.
 (or more) elements.
Indeed,  has
 has  elements and assume
 elements and assume  is an
 is an  .  Then
.  Then
 must be
 must be  's.  Since
's.  Since  is an
 is an  ,
,  must be
must be  's.  It follows that all
's.  It follows that all  's are
's are  's, which is a
contradiction since we assumed we have at least one
's, which is a
contradiction since we assumed we have at least one  .
.
 This argument does not exclude
  This argument does not exclude  .  For example,
we could have a sequence
.  For example,
we could have a sequence  .
.
This finishes the proof of problem 2.
 The statement of the original problem follows trivially
from Problem 2.  Indeed, if only one of
  The statement of the original problem follows trivially
from Problem 2.  Indeed, if only one of  and
 and  has integer roots, then
has integer roots, then  .  If the degree
.  If the degree  of
 of  is
is  or
 or  , then
, then  respectively, which is less than
 respectively, which is less than  .
If the degree
.
If the degree  then
 then  .
.
 
 Let us prove the stronger bound
 Let us prove the stronger bound  .
.
Assume that  .  Then we have that
.  Then we have that  are
 are  and
and  (in some order), or
 (in some order), or  are
 are  and
 and  (in some order).
 (in some order).
Assume  .  This is impossible because of the argument
from the first solution.  (Repeat the argument
for the sake of completeness: Assume
.  This is impossible because of the argument
from the first solution.  (Repeat the argument
for the sake of completeness: Assume
 and
 and  .
Then
.
Then  with
with  having integer coefficients. Substituting
 having integer coefficients. Substituting  we have
we have  .
It follows that the values of the four factors
.
It follows that the values of the four factors  must
be in
 must
be in  .  Since they are distinct, they must be
exactly these four values.  Then
.  Since they are distinct, they must be
exactly these four values.  Then
 will be
a multiple of 4, and it can not equal
 will be
a multiple of 4, and it can not equal  .)
.)
Now assume  .  Then
.  Then
 and
 and
 for some
 for some  (all distinct), and
(all distinct), and  some polynomials with integer
coefficients.  Then
 some polynomials with integer
coefficients.  Then
 .
.
Substituting  we have
 we have
 
 
Then each  must equal one of
 must equal one of  .
We now need to make a very careful analysis of all the cases
when
.
We now need to make a very careful analysis of all the cases
when  take all the possible values.  Approached
with brute force, there would be
 take all the possible values.  Approached
with brute force, there would be  cases, but we
can reduce this enormously.
 cases, but we
can reduce this enormously.
Think of listing the  entries, in two groups of
 entries, in two groups of  
 
The values of the entries in the first group of  have to be
distinct, and the values of the entries in the second group of
 have to be
distinct, and the values of the entries in the second group of
 have to be distinct.
 have to be distinct.
The first entries in the two groups have to be distinct, and the same goes for the second and third entries.
We must not have a  and
 and  within the same group of
 within the same group of  entries.
 entries.
Two triplets of values in a group which differ by a sign are
equivalent (e.g.  and
 and  ).
).
The idea of the proof is to list all the relevant choices for
 , and see that the choice of values leads to a
contradiction.  The final check will be to verify whether
, and see that the choice of values leads to a
contradiction.  The final check will be to verify whether
 and
and  .
.
It will turn out that it is impossible to choose values for the
two groups of  entries so that all the constraints and the
two equalities above are satisfied.
 entries so that all the constraints and the
two equalities above are satisfied.
I will not show here all the cases; instead, I will show some very typical examples. It is not difficult for the reader to verify all the cases, or to write a little computer program which verifies all the cases.
[TO BE CONTINUED]
The original thread for this problem can be found here: [1]
See Also
| 1974 IMO (Problems) • Resources | ||
| Preceded by Problem 5 | 1 • 2 • 3 • 4 • 5 • 6 | Followed by Last Question | 
| All IMO Problems and Solutions | ||
